1/2 Trump voters DO fit deplorable description, surveys show

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1/2 Trump voters DO fit deplorable description, surveys show

Postby Marie » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:50 am

Dana Milbank is growing a spine. While not a big HRC enthusiast, he has to admit:

Yes, half of Trump supporters are racist
By Dana Milbank
washingtonpost.com
9/13/2016

HILLARY CLINTON MAY HAVE BEEN unwise to say half of Donald Trump’s supporters are racists and other “deplorables.” But she wasn’t wrong. If anything, when it comes to Trump’s racist support, she might have low-balled the number.

Trump, speaking to the National Guard Association of the United States’ annual conference here Monday afternoon, proclaimed himself “deeply shocked and alarmed” about Clinton putting half of his supporters in the “basket of deplorables” -- as if anybody, especially Trump, could be shocked by anything this late in the campaign.

How dare she, Trump said, “attack, slander, smear, demean these wonderful, amazing people.” But this isn’t a matter of gratuitous name-calling. This election has proved that there is much more racism in America than many believed. It came out of hiding in opposition to the first African American president, and it has been welcomed into the open by Trump.

The American National Election Studies, the long-running, extensive poll of American voters, asked voters in 2012 a basic test of prejudice: to rank black and white people on a scale from hardworking to lazy and from intelligent to unintelligent. The researchers found that 62 percent of white people gave black people a lower score in at least one of the attributes. This was a jump in prejudicial attitudes from 2008, when 45 percent of white people expressed negative stereotypes.

This question is a good indicator of how one votes: Republican Mitt Romney won 61 percent of those who expressed negative stereotypes. And, when the question was asked during the 2008 primaries, those with negative racial stereotypes consistently favored Republican candidates -- any of them -- over any Democratic candidate in hypothetical matchups.

“There is plenty of overt white prejudice,” observes Simon Jackman, who directed the ANES until earlier this year and now runs the United States Studies Center at the University of Sydney. “Whites who reported prejudicial beliefs about blacks skewed heavily Republican in 2008 and 2012 -- and they will in 2016.”

In June, the Pew Research Center found that 79 percent of Clinton voters believe the treatment of racial and ethnic minorities is an important issue, while only 42 percent of Trump supporters feel that way. As I wrote previously, earlier Pew research found that Trump supporters were significantly less likely than other Americans (and supporters of other Republican presidential candidates) to think that racial and ethnic diversity improves the United States. Research by Washington Post pollsters and by University of California at Irvine political scientist Michael Tesler, among others, have found that Trump does best among Americans who express racial animus. Evidence indicates fear that white people are losing ground was the single greatest predictor of support for Trump -- more, even, than economic anxiety.

Few people embrace the “racist” label, so let’s help them. If you are “very enthusiastic” about a candidate who has based his campaign on scapegoating immigrants, Latinos and African Americans, talked of banning Muslims from the country, hesitated to disown the Ku Klux Klan and employed anti-Semitic imagery, well, you might be a racist. But if you are holding your nose and supporting Trump only because you think him better than Clinton, that doesn’t put you in the basket. The new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds the two groups roughly equal: Forty-six percent of Trump supporters say they are “very enthusiastic” about his candidacy. The rest were “somewhat” or not terribly enthusiastic.

There were mostly the latter at the National Guard gathering in Baltimore. Donny Crandell, a pastor from Nevada who serves as a National Guard chaplain, figured the audience was 70-30 for Trump, but with few of the “deplorables.” Said Crandell: “I don’t think you’ll find a lot of military types who are core Trump fans. They just like him better than her.” That includes Crandell, who backed Ted Cruz and would prefer Marco Rubio to Trump, whose “meanness” offends Crandell. “But he’s the choice we have,” the chaplain told me.

Trump, on stage, rejected any notion of racism, saying people who want secure borders “are not racists,” people who warn of “radical Islamic terrorism are not Islamophobes” and people who support police “are not prejudiced.” But moments later, he repeated the campaign slogan he borrowed from an anti-Semitic organization that opposed involvement in World War II.

“America First -- remember that,” he said. “America First.”

That’s deplorable.

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Re: 1/2 Trump voters DO fit deplorable description, surveys show

Postby BrooklynBilly » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:55 pm

A question that came to mind was one I read some time ago in an essay by William F. Buckley on whether Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran were anti-semitic. Buckley's conclusion was they were. The question was, "If we can attribute positive characteristics to certain groups is it also possible to attribute negative characteristics to those same groups". The question was posed to Buckley by a prominent Jewish intellectual who then went on to list many of the positive aspects of Jewish life and culture. He then brought up a few things about Jews that might not be so positive but that he thought had some merit.


New Poll Finds That Hillary Supporters Are Pretty Racist Too


By Josh Voorhees

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll paints a particularly depressing picture of the U.S. electorate’s opinions on race. The main takeaways from the survey, which was released late Tuesday: A significant slice of Americans expressed racist views against blacks, and those who identify as Donald Trump supporters are more likely to fall into that group, though Hillary Clinton supporters are definitely there too.

Pollsters interviewed 16,000 Americans and asked them to grade whites and blacks on a series of personal traits, ranging from their intelligence to lawfulness. “In nearly every case,” the outlet notes, “Trump supporters were more likely to rate whites higher than blacks when their responses were compared with responses from Clinton supporters.” To wit:

Roughly one-third of Trump supporters described blacks as less “intelligent” than whites, compared with about one-fifth of Clinton supporters who did the same. Among all respondents, 22.5 percent suggested whites were smarter than blacks.
40 percent of Trump supporters described blacks as more “lazy” than whites, compared with one-quarter of Clinton supporters who did the same. Among all respondents, 26.8 percent suggested whites were harder working than blacks.
44 percent of Trump supporters described blacks as more “rude” than whites, compared with 30 percent of Clinton supporters who did the same. Among all respondents, 31.3 percent said whites were more well mannered than blacks.
Nearly half of all Trump supporters described blacks as more “violent” than whites, compared with nearly one-third of Clinton supporters who did the same. Among all respondents, 32.8 percent said whites were less violent than blacks.
Nearly half of all Trump supporters described blacks as more “criminal” than whites, compared with nearly one-third of Clinton supporters who did the same. Among all respondents, 33.2 percent said whites were more lawful than blacks.


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Re: 1/2 Trump voters DO fit deplorable description, surveys show

Postby Marie » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:39 pm

^ Your poll (and weak grab at false equivalency) notwithstanding, Billy, it's a statistical FACT -- as shown in the opening post -- that half of Trump supporters ARE deplorable.

But -- and here's the point that everyone, including you, keeps missing -- half aren't deplorable. Hillary just wanted to make sure that the good half of Trump supporters aren't mistakenly getting identified with the monsters.

Half wear hoods; the other half only wear *dunce caps. (*Hillary didn't say that; I did!)

So now you can say "Thank you, Hillary."

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: 1/2 Trump voters DO fit deplorable description, surveys show

Postby Marie » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:17 am

For the most part, Hillary supporters are a

BASKET OF ADORABLES

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: 1/2 Trump voters DO fit deplorable description, surveys show

Postby Marie » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:04 pm

Keith today made a pretty good case for 100% of Drumpf supporters belonging to the deplorable category. (The fish is deplorable from the head.)

I'm more w/her on this; I think roughly half are misguided. Don't confuse the two.

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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