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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby RareBird » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:52 pm

Marie wrote:
Philbert wrote:If they really want right wing scumbag viewers, they don't need us.

I doubt it's a strategy to woo rightwing viewers. He's a known quantity.

I believe he believes the presentation of contrasting views produces a "livelier" show and provides him a opportunity to be seen getting his licks in against dopey ideologues.

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If you're right then he should look back at his shows where there wasn't some dipshi+ righty on there. That show where he did "Barry Whitehouse" did not have the usual token conservative in it and it was one of the best. I hope he doesn't dig up Andrew Sullivan, P. J. O'Rourke yet again to make the show "livlier".

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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby BrooklynBilly » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:34 am

Marie wrote:That's why Maher's lack of judgment in allowing Coulter to become his co-host whenever she's on seems to suggest emotional ties that have nothing to do with work.

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He's probably banging her.
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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby Marie » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:02 am

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Marie wrote:That's why Maher's lack of judgment in allowing Coulter to become his co-host whenever she's on seems to suggest emotional ties that have nothing to do with work.

He's probably banging her.

Are you twelve?

Good old Billy. :roll:

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby JackieD1983 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:14 am

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LXena wrote:Really? You're not going to watch anymore because of Ann "Dimwhit" Coulter?



No her alone, no. But she is a symptom of a larger problem I have with the show's format. Too many Scumbag talking heads spewing their lies unchallenged. I am soooo sick of 'fair and balanced." Nothing fair about it. The only cons they have on there I can stand anymore are guys like Andrew Sullivan-a gay foreigner. He's had to become a Democrat by default in this religion sodden backwater of a near third world country.


I'm going to go a little against the grain here. I don't have a problem with Maher having Coulter on his show. Why? Because I can critically think about what she's saying. She looked like an idiot when she said the US is/has bombed Egypt on Overtime. She looked stupid and didn't admit she was wrong even though everyone told her she was wrong.

I realize that not everyone thinks in the same way that I do and that can be problematic,but I don't think that conservatives are really tuning into Real Time or MSNBC all that much anyway. If, and I'm assuming, most of the people tuning into Maher and MSNBC are liberal then they should be able to weed through the little bit of muck that's out there.

With all that said, I wouldn't have a problem if MSNBC didn't want to host a bunch of conservatives on their show as commentators, etc... I don't think that's going to happen though since they seem to be adding more to their roster of commentators. Let's face it, this is all news commentary anyway. It's opinion based infotainment to some extent. It's not straight news and I don't think we'll ever go back to that day where a reporter gets up and tells a story with two sides and then maybe gets a small 10 second soundbyte from each side. And the Fairness Doctrine hasn't been upheld for years, so that doesn't help at all.

Just my two cents, and I respect a difference in opinions on the subject matter. :grin:

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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby JackieD1983 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:07 pm

Oh, I still think she's horrid, but I don't mind having a "diverse" opinion as long as there's someone there to call them out on their bull ish. Now, I realize that Coulter being on Real Time isn't her "natural environment" so-to-speak so it's a bit different. I do think that Maher treats her differently than other conservatives that he has on the show.

On a related, but somewhat unrelated note: Chris Hayes looks devilishly handsome! <3 :lol:

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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby RareBird » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:52 pm

Imo the bottom line is that he[Maher] is stuck in the media model of yesteryear. He's applying "broadcast" logic as if the world is still in three network camps. The media and the world have fundamentally changed and that logic is out of place for the times. He's not getting a buy in from the right and this thread bears as evidence that he is probably losing the one audience that has been there for him. He's not one of a kind in that regard. Many media types don't get the change--it's not an incremental change but a reversal in which the road to success is in picking one demographic and serving it. If you pick two that are at odds with each other, you lose by appealing to neither.

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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby Marie » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:21 pm

Philbert wrote:This is the Liberal curse. The need to be 'tolerant' of assholes and morons and just plain silly people. I am sick and tired of 'diverse' opinions held by pieces of crap like Coulter and Limbaugh, neither of whom actually believe the shit they peddle. We've been getting their 'point of view' in the corporate media for 30 years now. We don't need any more of it. . . .

You and I are of the same mind re the liberal curse; I believe the need to go beyond the call of duty to be fair is encoded in a liberal's DNA.

Liberals tend to bend over backwards to make sure they haven't failed to give someone who might be salvageable every benefit of the doubt.

I just wish they wouldn't bend over frontwards so often in pursuit of that goal. [-(

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby Marie » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:31 pm

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Marie wrote:You and I are of the same mind re the liberal curse; I believe the need to go beyond the call of duty to be fair is encoded in a liberal's DNA.

Liberals tend to bend over backwards to make sure they haven't failed to give someone who might be salvageable every benefit of the doubt.

I just wish they wouldn't bend over frontwards so often in pursuit of that goal. [-(

I happen to be immune to the curse because as I have pointed out numerous times on this forum, I ain't no Liberal. . . .

No, I'd never identify you as such.

One true liberal who makes a conscious effort to resist the curse is KO, and it's difficult even for him. He almost overcompensates for the rest of the hand-wringers sometimes, LOL. But it's good that there's someone who can recognize when the liberals' generous natures are being imposed upon, and respond appropriately! >:)

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby JackieD1983 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:24 am

I thought tonight's episode was pretty good. Dan Savage didn't mess around! :lol:

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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby Marie » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:28 am

JackieD1983 wrote:I thought tonight's episode was pretty good. Dan Savage didn't mess around! :lol:

Much, much better!

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby RealInfoseek » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:21 pm

Lets see:

Ms. Coulter is far right: Bad
Mr. Maher is a left leaning libertarian: Good
You are left so you don't want to watch nobody from the right. No
Show's old because it didn't evolve into some new game that's all about the left and right play with selves only. Yes? I'm just kidding about that.

The evolution you mentioned is reality. However, I'd like to remind you that a lot of righties have had been roughed up by liberal media mobs include earlier RT, until they figured out they can reach their intended audiences more effectively with filtered and staged oppositions in amounts just enough to spark and keep up unilateral outrages and criticisms.

Liberal Medias became a little dim without the righties overnight; I'm sure you've all heard many left leaning hosts complained about inability to get righties on shows. It wasn't too long before left started to do the same. I still haven't seen any left "leaning" show that's nearly as good as Countdown. It's good enough for me to shamefully say Countdown is better than a lot of shows on FOX.

I enjoyed watch Ms. Coulter, a hot blonde with wicked sense of humor and the best comedian with opposite povs get’n it on. I hope Ms. Coulter will appear on RT more often. Why not? 7/8 is a success. I don't know where the dynamics between the two will take us, but I sure do want to find out.

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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby Marie » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:11 pm

RealInfoseek wrote:Lets see:

Ms. Coulter is far right: Bad
Mr. Maher is a left leaning libertarian: Good
You are left so you don't want to watch nobody from the right. . . .

No one here even remotely suggested what you just said. It's not her politics, it's her.

And incidentally, but not incidentally, Keith Olbermann had difficulty getting righties to appear on his MSNBC show. They knew they'd get called out on their BS and lacked the self-confidence.

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby Marie » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:48 pm

Philbert wrote:Colin Quinn and Dennis Leary are both Democrats I think but not radical Lefties. If either of them get involved with politics it tends to be from a working class-pro-union perspective. Historically, being pro-union didn't make you a radical Leftist...until the Reaganites took over.

Well, very early on it did make you a radical leftist. But that was by default, because lefties were the only ones fighting for miners, factory workers, etc. in the later part of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th centuries. But, yes, once the philosophy became that of a sovereign nation, one that saw itself in competition with nations in the west, socialism was no longer viewed as an approach to problems, but as a clear and present danger to our form of government. (Sad that fascism was never feared the same way here, but there's an explanation for that, too.)

After that, union leaders, being loyal Americans, viewed the commies in their organizations with suspicion and did their best to root them out. Walter Reuther was the poster boy for this.

These days, if someone tried to make the case for unionism being leftist, they'd be laughed at. Or should be by anyone with any sense.

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby Marie » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:04 am

Philbert wrote:
Marie wrote:These days, if someone tried to make the case for unionism being leftist, they'd be laughed at. Or should be by anyone with any sense.

Apparently you haven't been following Right Wing talking points. All it is is Unions=socialism.

Sure I have; that's precisely why I said that! Righties don't care about history or how we got to where we are now.

Moreover, it's not a new phenomenon: Sen. McCarthy, for example, never acknowledged the existence of anticommunist liberals. It rendered his whole cause suspect, because we had just come off of a war where liberals and conservatives had fought bravely side by side for the democratic way of life, and unions had given up the right to strike during that effort. It was too recent a fact for anyone with any integrity to ignore, and clashed with the trash he was spewing.

In his signoff every evening, Keith reminds us that there's nothing new about the behavior we're seeing from these guys.

-Marie-
You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Bill Maher 7/8/11

Postby RealInfoseek » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:53 pm

I get it, you don't like Ms. Coulter. Well phib, the chicks you dig don't exactly make me go "nuts" either.

marie, so you do want to see some opposition’s povs? That homo-political thing was a joke. I never said Ms. Coulter is a comedian. In all fairness, liberal homogenies tend to make fewer exceptions thus fewer inconsistencies. It’s just my opinion the best left leaning news show can be a little more like the best left leaning comedy where opposition’s pov can be expected regularly. We still have Miller, a different one, and Stewart, etc. these days… Nuf said.
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